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Spiritual Conversations pt. 4 – Velocity Culture — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:31:40 +0000

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By: Ron Martoia

Ron Martoia — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:14:27 +0000

Zach an excellent musing for sure. Two quick comments. I think there is a big difference between the reading suggested here and the Mormon view you allude to. Since I am no Mormon theologian and wouldn’t want to misrepresent them, let me clarify my thought. The little gods reference in John 10 references Psalm 82 the context is interesting and instructive. The people of Israel were to act as God would act in taking care of those around them, in stating that fact the psalmist calls them ‘gods.’ Ironically as I point out, Jesus states to the Pharisees that their scriptures call them such. My point is this has to be some nod to the imago dei, the god in them portion of their being because they clearly were legalists missing the main point of who Jesus was. That said, what does it mean to start our conversations with people on that common ground.

To your second musing about the “silent years” as they are called, interesting idea. Cool possibility huh?

By: Zach

Zach — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:05:30 +0000

After reading parts 3 and 4 I have to wonder what is the difference between “us” being little gods and the whole Morman view of us becoming gods (if I have my facts straight)?

This whole concept of we are little gods seems a lot like the principles of some/most of the eastern religions of the world. Therefore, I have to ask what was Jesus doing during those 18 years that is skipped in the bible (ages 12-30)? Could he have been traveling to other places preaching the same messages but had the people grasp this concept in a different mannor, therefore creating the diversity of the religions we know today?

By: Ron Martoia

Ron Martoia — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:02:50 +0000

Zach great question and perceptive connections. While I think those two items/events are related I do not think they are the same. In TA I use the metaphor of an operating system upgrade. Imago dei is the foundation of original first creation. The Holy Spirit is the next step or new creation piece. I think John 3 is good example of how these two are related (a new creation/old(first) creation example that has been noted by scholars for a long time).

By: Zach

Zach — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:45:06 +0000

After reading both part 1 and 2 and both of your previous books (static and transformational Architecture) I am wondering what is the difference between the “Imago Dei” concept or the thought of God breathing life into us (literal or not?) and how we recieved the holy spirit after christ was risen? Are they the same or different because if they are the same then that would change a lot of my person beliefs, as well as I would assume others who are attempting to shift there views about God to this post-modern thought.

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